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There is something going around called "Intelligent Design" theory. It states that modern science has shown the incredible way genes, DNA, the structure of life, is so intricate, it cries out loud that it must have been designed, and that designer, they claim, must be God. The trouble with Intelligent Design theory is that it ignores hierarchy and jumps all the way to the top.

Everything adheres to some sort of hierarchy. You have a boss, and he likely has a boss, who in turn may have a boss and ultimately some where up there is the president of the company. But you could go further than that, and find people with more power that will ultimately take you to the governor of your state. Eventually, taken to its conclusion, we will end up with the President of the United States, as the one person at the top. Now if you need to get permission to get something done at work, are you going to call President Bush? Of course not, and yes, that is ridiculous. See where I'm going?

To jump to a conclusion that 'God' must be the designer, ignores the entire Universe. And the Universe is a very big place. Add to that, the string theorists believe the universe has 11 dimensions, and unlimited parallel universes. So you see, jumping from Man to God is the height of stupidity. There has to be more to the universe(s) than those two equations.

Intelligent Design theory should be welcomed by ufologists and others who believe the Earth has been visited by ancient astronauts in its early past. To ignore these factors would be to ignore the possibilities of our incredibly expanding universe.

Worth a read:
Robert T. Pennock "Intelligent Design and the SETI Analogy," 2000

posted: by veggiedude: 7/26/2005 04:03:00 AM  

10 Comments on: "The flaw in 'Intelligent Design' theory"

Posted by: Anonymous on
5:38 AM  

Actually, it is your argument that is flawed. If I have to do something at work, it is because of the freedoms I have in the United States that allows me to do certain things freely, (as opposed to other regimes, which may close my workplace or create a hazardous environment to make such work impossible). So, in a sense, the Constitution of the US, which was written by our founding Fathers, and is safeguarded by our President, our Congress, and our Supreme Court, and protected by the armed forces, I am able to have my day job.

As for Intelligent Design, your supposition that aliens might have created us is an interesting one. Okay, foreign being(s) designed us. But the flaw in your argument is that you do not go up the hierarchy that you wish to propose. Who created the foreign beings? (Maybe another set of foreign beings). Who created those? (Perhaps those blocks of steel in 2001). Who created that?

... and up the hierarchy you go, until you finally get to a single source... God.

Since it's very very clear that in your OWN argumentation you have contradicted yourself, I suggest that if you have a beef with an argument, you best think it really really thru. And if it hurts your head when you actually... think, you may want to take some aspirin.

--Nick


Posted by: veggiedude on
5:51 AM  

But the flaw in that argument is, who made God? To which you have no answer. My answer is evolution.


Posted by: veggiedude on
5:59 AM  

Nick, your idea of 'work' in this country is fantasy land. First, none of us are free to do what we want at work. That is why we have supervisors. Your ability to do work is not guaranteed in the constitution so I don't know why you brought that up. Your President has done nothing to stop your jobs from being outsourced. We live in a capitalistic nation. Money is the bottom line. You are expendible to an Indian or Chinese engineer and the Armed Forces aren't going to stop that.


Posted by: Anonymous on
6:11 AM  

God, by definition, does not have a beginning. You may not agree with that definition, but then, there will always come a point where you will have to ask what happened before the known time existed? And you may want to keep going back and back until you come to this point.

As for "free to do" I was simply building upon your idiotic analogy. If a company freely outsources to another country, they are free to do that. It's different than living in a country that forces all its citizens into slave labor, or into the army, or kills them when they are no longer useful (altho this country is going in that direction because of Terri Schiavo... OOPS... did you forget so easily?)

Back to the orig point: intelligent design is a theory. You may disagree with it, but as a theory, it is airtight. You cannot come up with a credible contradiction, other than jumping the shark on your own definitions.

It must hurt your ego to be wrong so emphatically...
--Nick


Posted by: Anonymous on
8:25 AM  

And if you are so enamoured of the theory of evolution, please inform me what the big bang "evolved from". Giant universe-creating explosions when once there was nothing cannot be explained very easily in any branch of physics. Even in a Universe that is supposed to one day contract (which is still up in the air).

Let me also clue you in, there are scientists that would believe in I.D. before they would some of the stuff floated out there by the string theorists. String theory is really good for mathematically modelling and predictive analysis of certain physical phenomena. But jury is still far from in on whether it is a good model for describing the actual physical universe.


Posted by: spinsterwitch on
10:50 AM  

Hey, veggie dude...

"jumping from Man to God is the height of stupidity." No, it is the height of arrogance, and we are an arrogant species. To think that there is a Plan and that we are the center of said plan...bah! Even god would have better things to do.

We may disagree on the god part, but I heartily agree with you on intelligent design.


Posted by: veggiedude on
12:13 PM  

I stand corrected. It is indeed the height of arrogance. And we are so wrapped up in our ego to believe that a supreme being that created the universe would be at all concerned with us. If there was ever a god, it is either dead now, or long gone to invest itself into better things. Maybe we were the experiment. The real thing is out there.


Posted by: Anonymous on
1:39 PM  

Why do you believe this? And how can you not see this is the far more arrogant belief?

--Nick


Posted by: veggiedude on
3:42 PM  

If a god existed, it would care about us as much as you care (and love) the bacteria that lives on your body. We are minuscule and insignificant in the great scheme of things. It is this mindset that separates a buddhist from a christian.


Posted by: Anonymous on
3:09 AM  

You didn't answer the second question.

It is arrogant to say that you are not important to God. You cannot speak for a Being that you do not presume to know personally--it's simple common sense. It's simply arrogant of you, and I'm surprised you can't smell the stench.

--Nick

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