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Posted by: Joanna Terpstra on

7:53 PM  

GOD ON OUR SIDE?

The trouble with Fundamentalism is that if you believe in God, then you must believe in the Devil also. To believe in the Devil means you believe in pure evil and believe it is your duty to crusade against it. In this mindset, fear creates non-negotiable evil in the enemy of the moment. Invasion of sovereign countries becomes sanctified. The leader is hailed as the saviour. He believes he is right and good. He prays. He has a divine calling. The end justifies the means.

The rise of Hitler's Germany showed a nation swept along by patriotism and military sentiment combined with a sense of divine mission. The churches accepted Hitler's warmongering with religious joy. In April 1937, a Christian organization in the Rhineland passed a resolution that Hitler's word was the law of God and possessed "divine authority." Reichsminister for Church Affairs Hans Kerrl announced: "There has arisen a new authority as to what Christ and Christianity really are - that is Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler....is the true Holy Ghost." *

But it is easy to point the finger at those whom history has demonized. What of the crusades? The "Holy Wars" designed to wrest property away from the heathen or heretic enemies of orthodox Christianity. And the witch hunts? Centuries of persecution, torture, murder and untold suffering that have filled the Pope's coffers.

Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of cruelty. It can be used to subdue other nations or even to placate our own nation. There is precious little difference between scaremongering and warmongering because fear breeds hate, and hate breeds war.**

Wherever there is power, it has been built on the suffering of vast numbers of people. At present, America is the most powerful nation on earth. Couple this with Bush's evangelical zeal, his belief in absolute good and absolute evil, and it is also the most dangerous nation on earth.

"The victor will not be asked afterwards whether he told the truth or not. In starting and waging a war it is not right that matters, but victory." This is a quote from Adolf Hitler. It is sobering to think that had he not been defeated, he would not have been demonized in world history. The end justifies the means...


(excerpts from *Barbara G Walker and **Caitlin Johnstone acknowledged)

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Posted by: veggiedude on

10:23 AM  

You say Kerry is not a good catholic, I say Bush is not a Christian. Which is worse?

http://religiousleft.bmgbiz.net/bushandjesus.html

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Posted by: RealityCheck on

7:40 AM  

GEORGE W BUSH IN NOT A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN!
There's no account of him being baptized either in water or the Holy Spirit. The following is an account of his spiritual path:

1984 - Mark Leaverton (a founder of Midland's Community Bible Study) … I think he probably came in 1984 to our Bible study that preceded Community Bible Study (CBS). He was the vice president's son.

1984 - George W. Bush, the oilman I prayed with to receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord on April 3, 1984 has gone on to become President of the United States of America. All glory to God. What to do Now! - Confess Christ Openly and Be Baptized. *THIS NEVER HAPPENED! - Arthur Blessit at:
http://www.blessitt.com/

1985 - From GWB: Reverend Graham planted a mustard seed in my soul, a seed that grew over the next year.

1985 - His heavy drinking was threatening his marriage so Bush began attending a community Bible study group in Midland. Before long, he was working on his father's 1988 presidential campaign (where he was assigned to consult with leaders from the religious right) and turning an eye toward the governorship of Texas.

Don Poage (One of the group leaders in Midland's Christian Bible Study): "... What I can talk about [is] .. I saw that transformative process beginning. Whether he was then quote, "saved" or not, or "born again" or not -- he made a couple of comments in core group that would lead me to believe that he was.

1986 - At Bush's 40th birthday party (July 6, 1986), with the wine flowing freely, he once again "couldn't shut it off," says Don Evans, Bush's friend and campaign finance chairman. Karen Hughes, Bush's spokeswomen said ... He has said he gave up drinking the day after his 40th birthday.

CNN:Bush acknowledges 1976 DUI charge - November 2, 2000
Bush said, "I was able to share with some of the men and women here that I quit drinking in 1986 and haven't had a drop since then."

The Jesus Factor:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/interviews/wead.html
Doug Wead's advise to GWB's Dad in 1987 Presidential Race: "So, [in] my memorandum I was saying to him, "Look, Mr. Vice President, if you're asked the question, "Are you a born-again Christian?" you can't say no. You can say anything else, but you can't say no.

US News Online, "George W. Bush: Running on His Faith"
GWB: "Would you call your experience born-again? I call it a renewal of faith. But I could say that. I would say that. But you've got to understand, a born-again experience connotes a moment. And I would say my experience was the planting of a seed, where something grew, grew quite rapidly. But I got back to Midland. I remember reading the Bible. The words in the Bible made–you know, the same words–I began to have a better understanding. And so I would call it a renewal, an acceptance of Christ."

Interview with the Baptist Press, the national news service of the Southern Baptist Convention, August 31, 2000
GWB: "I would describe myself as a man who was raised a Christian, who sought redemption and found it in Jesus Christ. And that's important [to admit the need for redemption] by the way, for someone running for public office. It's a humbling experience to make that admission. I admit I'm a lowly sinner. It's that admission that led me to redemption and led me to Christ. Without making that admission, I don't think there's such a thing as redemption."

Town Meeting. Columbia, South Carolina, February 12, 2000
GWB: "Well, I appreciate that. As you know, during a debate, one of the debates in the public arena, I was asked about a philosopher who influenced my life. I didn't spend much time thinking about an answer. It just came out, and I said it was Christ, and it was Christ. "What does that mean? Why?" he said. And I said, "Because he's changed my heart." And the man said, "Could you explain it further?" And basically what I said is it's kind of hard to explain it in 30-second sound bytes. It's hard to explain unless you have witnessed it yourself, and so it is hard to explain."

Wead: "But with the son, it was just instant. In 1998, 1999, 2000, within five minutes of any meetings with evangelicals, within minutes, they instantly knew he's a born-again Christian."

Wead: "I remember him (GW) reviewing the memorandum on Texas, and he just lit up. He said, "Ah, you know, I could do this in Texas. I could make this work in Texas." There was no secret he was talking about running for governor. But he'd see this, and said, "Whoa." To me, it was like the missing piece for him. Now he had become an evangelical Christian himself. So he's reading this strategy, and he's thinking, "Whoa, this could certainly work for me."

US News Online, "George W. Bush: Running on His Faith"
GWB on being an evangelical: "I'm not even sure what the characteristics of an evangelical are in common parlance. I think if someone prays– I pray. I do. I believe in the power of prayer. I can't tell you how comforting it is to me to hear people say, "I pray for you." And it happens a lot. It does. And I say, "Thank you." I think an evangelical believes in the power of prayer."

Wead: "We won the [election] in 1988 with the largest percentage of evangelical support ever in American history, more than Reagan got in 1984 when he had the landslide that carried every state in the nation but Minnesota -- by far more than George W. Bush had in 2000."

Wead: "I think it might've been 1997, before his re-election as governor -- George W. Bush was going to meet with some evangelical leaders. I called him to warn him of this surprise question that they occasionally pop. I repeated the question, which is, "If you were to die and suddenly appear before the pearly gates, and Peter said, 'Why should I let you in?' what would your answer be?"
He cut me off. He interrupted me before I even finished the question, and said, "I know, I know, I know. Because of the blood of Jesus Christ and because of his death for my sins," which is the argument evangelicals make -- that no one can be good enough to go to heaven, that the death of Christ is a sacrifice for our sins and you accept it in faith. That's the whole idea. So, no problem for him. I mean, he understood where evangelicals were coming from."

Wead: "Well, my advice to George Bush Sr. was, "Signal early, signal often." My advice to George W. Bush would be, "Signal early." The reason George Bush Sr. needed to signal often was because he was not known as someone who had sympathies towards evangelicals, or even understood them. So he needed to drive that home. ..."

GWB Signals toooo often to mention.

1999 - "Pastor Craig said that America is starved for honest leaders. He told the story of Moses, asked by God to lead his people to a land of milk and honey." ... "He was talking to you," my mother later said. ... "hearing this rousing sermon, to make most of every moment, during my inaugural church service, I gradually felt more comfortable with the prospect of a presidential campaign" Bush sees his presidency as willed by God.

GWB IS NO MOSES!
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 5:1 - And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, 3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

1 John 2:4 - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

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Posted by: Anonymous on

6:47 PM  

I am saddened by the fact that many people today are associating what is going on in Iraq and other such places with the church. There are many today who claim to be Christians (calling themselves "fundamentalists") who support Bush, the war in Iraq, etc., and who reject outright and even ridicule those who desire the removal of British and American troops from Iraq, protection for the Palestinians, and the removal of Bush from office.

I am a Christian. I am British (but live in the US). I attend, at present, a baptist church. But I am utterly sickened by the attitude of most of those in my church, and other churches, who take the side of Bush. The separation of church and state is a Biblical teaching. Bush should not bring religion of any kind into office. He certainly should not be making religion the backbone of an illegal campaign in the Middle East.

The Bible clearly teaches that true Christians are to love everyone. Granted, there are times when a nation is compelled to use force in the protection of her citizens both at home and abroad. But this is and must remain in the realm of government and not the church.

Those who believe that America is "blessing" Israel today (in line with what the Bible teaches) are wrong. America gives Israel guns and planes and tanks which have been used to suppress innocent Palestinians and Arabs, whom God loves every bit as much as the Jews. Clearly those who claim to be Christians today are warped in their outlook, do not understand the Bible correctly and may even be deceiving themselves.

I am ashamed that those who claim to be Christians have become associated with hatred of homosexuals, muslims, and so on. While I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle and I disagree with the teachings of Islam, I try to esteem everyone as better than myself (as the Bible teaches) and propound what I believe to be the truth by way of spreading the gospel of the Bible and allowing people to decide for themselves as to what they believe. If they choose to reject the gospel, I think no less of them at all.

Unfortunately, evil is a strong force in this world. Today the professing church, particularly so-called evangelicals in North America, is being swamped by this evil from within and is adopting a form of legalism rejected outright by Jesus Christ. The Christianity advocated by Christ Himself differs vastly from that practiced in churches today.

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Posted by: David Kuvelas on

1:19 PM  

What amazes me is just how many people who claim to be Christian are the biggest bunch of hypocrites you could possibly find.

George Bush claims he is a Christian and yet starts wars with other people. And millions of Christians follow him in this endeavor. It’s insanity at its finest, for anybody who has ever read the New Testament just one time with an IQ over 20 found out that Jesus Christ advocated just the EXACT opposite of starting wars, under ANY circumstance, PERIOD!!

As a Christian you will be prosecuted and you will be KILLED! PERIOD

You are to die and suffer just like Jesus died, you are to do harm to nobody, you are to pray for everyone, INCLUDING YOUR ENEMIES!

What? George Bush doesn’t know that? He has not read the Bible? Hundreds of thousands of so called “preachers” don’t know that either?

Pat Robertson? Wow, what a hypocrite beyond belief he is, advocating assassinating someone, absolutely incredible.

But this same story goes on and on and on, from one “preacher” to the next. I’d say one in a thousand are real, all the rest are absolute hypocrites beyond all belief.

David Kuvelas
No Holds Barred Christianity
http://www.noholdsbarredchristianity.com/

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